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  1. Jim… you are right on the money… RFP are silly, stupid, and dis-serve both vendor and prospect..THIS is why you were selected as one of the top 30 sales consultants!

  2. My sense RFPs will change when leadership changes and recognizes the alignment of the solution to their current strategy, structure, processes, rewards and people. I know of one large firm that has taken a more results oriented approach to RFPs. In many cases,there are both state and federal laws that require RFPs.

    Also let us not forget that for the majority of small businesses (those under 20 employees) they do not engage in the proposal writing business. They have learned RFPs in many of those instances are used to shop prices and award the contract to an existing vendor.

    Smart small business owners decline to participate in this type of award process and look for new clients who value relationships and results. Years ago I realized I was in sales business and not proposal writing business so I stopped engaging in responding to RFPs.

    Your forthright condemnation of RFPs is accurate and this too will take time to change.

  3. Couldn’t agree more with you Jim. I NEVER, EVER respond to RFPs although I did when I first started my business. It didn’t take me long to figure out the odds of winning the business were slim to none, even I was fortunate enough to speak with the issuer.

    A good friend of mine used to be a government purchasing agent for the province and he told me that agents spent more time figuring out how to cover their ass in case something went wrong instead of finding the best solution or vendor. Tells you what is really important, doesn’t it?

  4. Hey Jim, don’t beat around the bush man. Just say what you think!

    Actually, although I agree with much of what you say, I have many clients–a significant number–who could not stay in business if they rejected the RFI/RFQ/RFP process. For a few examples–they are selling complex solutions to big Pharma, they are selling logistics nationally and internationally, and/or they are selling services to local, state, or federal government. If you can get all the business you want without responding to RFPs, by all means do it. But if that approach keeps you too small or limits your scope of opportunity, you need to learn how to decide what RFPs you might respond to.

    I have worked with clients on some amazingly good RFPs that clearly stated how the RFP related to their corporate strategy. I have seen many that asked questions like “what is your philosophy about this kind of work” or “how will you manage communications with us.” It’s not one size fits all.There is a huge range of expertise from highly expert to down-right dumb.

    If you are in an RFP-intense industry, and you want to play big in that industry, get to know procurement officers AND end users before the RFPs come out. Don’t reply to RFPs that come in over the transom where you’ve never had any prior relationships. Don’t reply if the time is too short or if the requirements are stupid or if you just don’t fit. Don’t reply if they’re clearly holding a price war and you are not a lowest-price bidder. Don’t reply if you can’t figure out why they would change from their current provider to you.

    All of your good sales instincts need to be active in an RFP process–you don’t leave your brains at the door.

    I have helped for-profit clients win multi-millions of contracts through RFPs with the US armed forces, FEMA, National Science Foundation, US Department of Education, SBIR (Small Business Innovation Research), 21st Century funds for education and economic development and many large corporations. If your clients have a complex sale in which the design of a solution requires considerable expertise, in which the risk of failure for the customer is high, they really should learn how to sort out the awful RFPs from the ones that could move their business forward.

    Now, from the perspective of the people who write RFPs, they can and should learn to do better in many cases. Too often they don’t get what they really want or need. But from the perspective of the service providers, we need to choose carefully where we play.

    One more thought to keep in mind–the RFP is NEVER about getting the best possible solution. It is about getting the safest solution that will work.

    • Boom!!!! Barbara, great insight and I have to agree with your there are just some instances where the price to play is an RFP and that sucks.

      Your last sentence is brilliant and arguably WHY RFP’s exist in my opinion — “the RFP is NEVER about getting the best possible solution. It is about getting the safest solution that will work.” Playing it safe is a losers game, that’s prolly why they don’t sit well with me. Playing it safe funnels all the way up to culture, leadership and more and it smells. Ugh.

      Great comment BWS, you rock!

      • Thanks Jim!

        I will offer one more caveat. If you are buying emergency communications for FEMA, or language and culture training for the Marines, or landing gear for the Air Force, or if you are manufacturing prescription drugs and need to protect your supply chain, –then safety has to be a big concern. Safety being defined as safety of the people you are charged with serving.

        It is often about CYA but it is not only about CYA. It is sometimes about soliciting the most responsible response to a very complex problem.

      • Barbara and Jim, with respect, as someone who has sat on both sides of the desk and just moved to the buyer’s side again (and responded as such separately), I have to take exception to the statement that an RFP is never about getting the best possible solution. Mine always are. I don’t think Sellers ought to whitewash Buyers any more than we’d want Buyers to whitewash Sellers. If I’m buying, I am looking for the best possible solution that is going to produce the results I need, within the parameters of my project.

        • Mike, I concur with what you are saying. I am responding from a place that often the sellers are all about their bright shiny objects and what the buyer needs is a little less glitter and a little more safety. “Best possible solution that is going to produce the results I need”, as you said, not “most amazing, never-before-seen can-do everything” solution that is possibly (1) MORE than you need, (2) SCARIER than you need, (3) MORE EXPENSIVE than you need.

        • Mike – I appreciate your position and love that you are so considered in your RFP approach. But you’re definitely an outlier there, no?

          • I probably am, Maureen, and possibly because I sat on both sides of the desk. But I’ll say this… as Sellers, we can whine about RFPs, we can decide not to engage with them, or we can figure out how to win them. The best strategy, as always, probably depends on context and nuance… it’s great to have the luxury of not needing to respond, but in some industries, avoiding them is quota suicide. I know organizations that don’t get to help write the RFPs, yet win a large percentage. To me, that seems like a smarter alternative – but as always, just one man’s opinion.

  5. No question, RFPs are a joke. They are a bureaucratic way of creating a purchasing process that dumbs everyone down to the lowest possible denominator – price. It also provides a clever way to cut out fast-talking, donut-delivering, wannabe salespeople. Hmmm….perhaps that is its one redeeming quality. But, professional salespeople that can provide valuable insight and expertise get cut out, too, and that is a shame.

    Count me in. I don’t respond, and I counsel clients not to respond, if possible. Unfortunately, some industries don’t provide that option (think public sector, especially construction). KSR

  6. Good post, Jim.

    As a buyer, I think sales reps often secretly hate me. 😉 I am worse than the reported buyers that are 57% through their decision, I’m usually much further along. And I always start with a basic RFI or RFP. I rarely schedule or accept a sales call or meeting to talk about something I am not already thinking about. I may research it on my own and re-engage later, but as a buyer, I find I often have a huge bulls-eye painted on my back, and I could waste endless hours talking with reps about products/services that I just am not ready for, don’t need, don’t fit, or I don’t have budget for. I also don’t think it’s fair to reps, and do not aim to increase the No Decision / Pipeline Fluff problem the industry is facing.

    In my defense, however, and the things that most reps tell me that they respect after the fact, is that I certainly don’t use an RFP as a screen to play games, do CYA, or disengage… all of which seems completely ridiculous to me. I do use it as a starting point to let multiple possible solution providers know what’s most important to me, at one time (convenient and easier for me, which counts).

    Then, based on responses to my knock-out questions (they should all pass based on my initial analysis, but I double-check anyway), I begin the final decision process which includes letting reps clarify any misconceptions I have formed (if any) during my research, tell me how their solution meets or exceeds my minimum requirements and my technical or specific feature requirements (yes, there sometimes ARE some feature/product requirements and I can elaborate if you want to hear), and generally how their solution can best address my needs. I answer any and all questions, offer a lot of background information, info about internal contacts and varying needs/perceptions, and always tell them what obstacles they are likely to face in selling their solution.

    Sounds like we’re in 99% agreement, though, although I do think there are times that a feature or process or something specific about a solution really matters. If I am looking for a psychometric assessment for hiring, and yours is ipsative, I’m not buying it.

    Anyway, hope this adds some value, and I agree with your recommendations and wish more buyers were thinking this way.

  7. Hey Keenan, although you may be right about RFPs, it doesn’t matter what we think. What matters is that many buyers and organizations believe RFPs provide high value to their buying process. Mike Kunkle thinks so and Mike is a very bright guy. As long as organizations believe RFPs facilitate their buying process, sales organizations who want their business will have to contend with the buyer’s rules of engagement.

    We hate RFPs with good reason as you so clearly articulated in your rant. By the way, you have the makings for a great stand up act. They interfere with the way we want to to sell. We want to control the sale. We want the buyer’s complete transparency during discovery, We want to be heroes who generate value, insights and opportunity for the buyer that takes their organization to new levels of improvement they never imagined possible. RFPs block our visions of grandeur and we don’t like that,

    Salespeople should never write an RFP. Yesterday, I had lunch with a young sales friend who just moved to a new company where he does not have to write proposals. He did write them at his previous company, which was among his top 3 reasons for changing positions.

    Salespeople writing proposals loses money for sales organizations. Ideally, salespeople should spend 100% of their time engaging customers and prospects, yet we hear numbers as low as 35%. Suppose you expect your salespeople to earn $500K of net income on $1 million in gross sales. If they work 50 hours per week, 50 weeks per year, they earn you $200 per hour. Why would you give your sales team clerical work to do? Train non-salespeople to write proposals and help your salespeople get inside the buyers offices and minds. Develop such strong bonds with the buying team that they practically write the RFP for you because they want your goods and services, and your team working with their team.

    If we could change the buyer’s buying process, selling would be a walk in the park. As that’s unlikely to happen, we need to adapt to the buyers’ playing fields if we want to win.

  8. I’ll take a left turn and say I love a good RFP… when as the salesperson I’m the person who helped the procurement team write it!

    Yes that’s right, if there is an RFP required (see Gary & Mike’s responses below) – Prior to the RFP being issued I want to work with the end-user, purchaser, stake holders, etc to make sure it is written to tie business goals into the solution being asked for.

    Of course – assisting in the RFP writing process also puts a salesperson into a much better position of winning it too.

    • Interesting comment, as that is a direction I am reinforcing with our sales people. Offering guidance to help write the rfp. Problem is it can be seen as a conflict of interest, but procurement people aren’t stupid, they just need help.

  9. Interesting article Jim. I don’t think you’ll get many buyers to agree with this statement, “It’s time we give vendors the opportunity to solve your problems not deliver a check list of features. Imagine if an RFP was more like a problem solving game.” The reason why is that salespeople do not have a fudiciary role. They are, in the end, beholden only to their interests. We as salespeople are not objective. It’s not that we won’t try to help give honest guidance, it’s that we can’t give objective guidance.

    The other factor is that salespeople are not equipped to analyze a situation and provide alternative approaches each with pros and cons, along with final recommendations. This is what consultants are paid to do. Consultants have a fudiciary role and they can spend the time needed to delve into the buyer’s problem. They also have the training and back-ground from a business point of view.

    And last, Just because an RFP primarily lists features, we can’t assume that a full evaluation of needs was not performed. Buyers are savvy. They can figure out what they need from a broad prospective then boil it down into a list of features.

    • Nancy brilliant comment, lots of interesting points, I’m on the slope, but will drop my two cents in a bit. Well stated though Nancy!
      //keenan

    • I agree with you on one point – salespeople are not equipped to analyze a situation… But that’s exactly what you are doing when you provide a list of features – primary or otherwise.

      Let’s get down to the nitty-gritty. You have a problem. You need that problem solved. That’s where you should be starting with your consultants. Buyers *think* they are savvy. But they only know what they’ve seen – and that’s only a small portion of what’s available. They also have no idea how much custom solutions cost – or what is the most cost effective way of solving a problem.

      OTOH, if you explain your problem thoroughly and let the consultant provide a solution to that problem, not only will you get solutions which better solve your problem, but those solutions are likely to be cheaper.

      I have a limited amount of time to review and decide on which RFP’s to bid on. I’ve walked away from too many RFP’s because they contain ridiculous “features” which add nothing to the solution but make the implementation much harder (and more costly). They’re just a waste of time.

      • “I’ve walked away from too many RFP’s because they contain ridiculous “features” which add nothing to the solution but make the implementation much harder (and more costly). They’re just a waste of time.” — BOOM!!!
        Ya nailed it there Jerry. If vendors are walking away because the RFP is perceived as out of touch or not solution oriented, buyers are NOT going to get the best solution. RFP’s are a buyer problem as much as they are a seller problem. Great comment Jerry!
        //keenan

  10. How wrong can you be, Jim: RFP’s are a gift thrown at us, sales people. It tells us exactly what the competition is going to offer! And it is a great starting point to start asking questions to your client. Okay, maybe if they are not willing to engage the interaction, you still should let go of the RFP. But in most cases if you respond with some excellent questions, your client will wake up, notice you and you are halfway landing that order.

    • Dirk, love the enthusiasm and positive approach. If an RFP contains many of the elements discussed in the post, I agree with you. Unfortunately, too few vendors create RFP’s in that manner.
      //keenan

    • As always, know your audience and how the competition will be evaluated. Many RFPs we respond to are a “tick mark” exercise where you have to go for the points to win. Therefore if you elect not to answer the question or answer with a question you get “nil”. We try to make sure we score high marks even if it means giving them what they ask for even though its not what they need to know, and then send out relationship managers to luncheon key people to build support. We are smart and we win. There, you can have that for free.

  11. I’m late to the party but since I elect to be anonymous and can vent with impunity, I will say that the MAJORITY of rfps I receive have been half-assed chronically disorganized and ill constructed attempts at trying to understand what is important about the service they want to buy, written by someone who doesn’t get what they are buying and what is important to know about what they are buying, yet are empowered and disrespectful enough to issue an ill constructed, chronically disorganized document with a dandretic web of instructions that takes more time to deconstruct and analyze what they are trying to get at than actually providing the information they NEED to know. Usually the longer the RFP the worse of a dogs dinner it is. I call these documents a treasure hunt of ineptitude and the people who issue them are wankers. An electric regulator’s legal service one is a recent example. Wicked. They could have saved themselves DAYS of putting this useless piece of claptrap RFP together by telling us the types of service they needed, the volume of business they were currently outsourcing and why they were doing a search. Kind of what you have set out in your good article. I think it was a CYA exercise as the incumbent was a shoe in. I hope they love the shoe in as we’ll never do another of their RFPs.

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